“Palestinians have been undergoing GENOCIDE and wars of EXTERMINATION, under the watchful eyes of the “civilized” world. Whatever they do to protect their lives is a legitimate act of self-preservation and survival.” ~ Nahida Izzat
“Sometimes you have to pick the gun up to put the Gun down.” ~ Malcolm X
This was a fascinating FB debate on the Palestinian right to resist the demonic Israeli entity by any means possible:
“To all our Palestinian friends here. If the Intifada does not go to the next stage of a massive non-violent uprising led by the Palestinian leadership, this random attacks will lead to nowhere and finally this will be easily contained by the Israelis. Stabbings cannot be part of any freedom struggle and is both morally wrong and a self-defeating strategy. There is mass momentum across all of Palestine and the rage and the energies must be focused towards mass mobilization, destruction if the WALL, taking on the CHECK POINTS, Civil-Disobedience by Massive Sit-Ins by blocking Roads with tens of thousands of people. This is what will empower and involve all sections of Palestinian society, which has to get beyond stone throwing at the military which is both legally and morally acceptable, but stabbings certainly isn’t. If this carries on, the media distortions will get only worse. Adopt the strategy of massive non-Violent Resistance. Please.
The Intifada of 1987 was successful due to the fact that it witnessed mass participation of women and youth, overwhelmingly non-violent, civil-disobedience, mass strikes, massive marches and Sit-Ins. The Israeli’s just could not contain the massive non-violent uprising and the narrative changed in favour of the Palestinian cause. I have also spoken to a few Palestinian Friends within … and they have said, that now they are getting this initial phase of largely random uncoordinated protests, to now get to more organizational coordinated protests, which will lead to massive mobilizations with a clear leadership and stated political objectives, planned for each phase of the Uprising, the Intifada. The other sincere request and plea is that during the massive marches and gatherings, do carry posters of Mahatma Gandhi, Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther King, Che Guevara, Hugo Chavez …..This will send a clear Message to the World….
With Millions on the March within Palestine and Millions more across the world in solidarity, the days of Zionism will be up … the countdown will have begun.”
“No adult in occupied lands can be considered as civilians … those who are living on stolen lands, drinking stolen water, eating stolen vegetables can’t be considered civilians …It is as simple as if a thief comes to your house with his family and wants to stay there”
“I am not wholly disagreeing with you Feroze but just want to put this out there…you are asking for the Palestinians to gather in huge numbers on the streets of an occupied land, occupied by the Israeli version of ISIS [I sraeli S ettlers] you are asking them to expose themselves to potential massacre imho. We are not dealing with a rational or humane entity [Israel] and that goes for the majority of the Israeli population who support these murderous actions by their settlers and government forces [remember the popcorn eating Israelis watching the Gaza genocide from their hilltop sofas]. The PA security is known to be almost equally oppressive and brutal in the suppression of Palestinian protest. Currently exactly how many Israeli citizens have actually been stabbed?!!!! 13 year old Ahmad Manasrah who was left dying in his own blood [being told to die you SOB by Israelis] and is now handcuffed to his hospital bed, having been forced to confess to a knife crime he did not commit and to implicate his 15 year old cousin in that crime. The teenage girl shot over 10 times as she came home from school. A skinny little thing accused of knife carrying!! Are we not adding weight to this propaganda with this statement and saying to the world, it is true and giving the Israelis further excuse to shoot and maim Palestinians on the pretext of knife crimes. Lets compare this to Syria and say we asked the Syrian people to come out of Kafarya and Foua [a siege and occupation situation] for example in mass protest at the ISIS siege that is encircling them..they would be massacred, my fear is that you are asking the Palestinian people to do the same thing. It will only take one spurious accusation of knife carrying or weapon carrying for the IOF, armed settlers and PA to open fire and the streets of Palestine will run with blood. This is not 1987, it is 2015 and the Israeli entity is a monster that is utterly unaffected by International Law and supported by the Western Zionist run media…we are not dealing with any semblance of humanity here, we are dealing with a monstrous machine of death focused on the final cleansing of Palestine. Just my opinion.”
WARNING: Extremely disturbing video footage.
“We want popular resistance yet peaceful with a consistent threat of violence. We can’t totally ignore stabbing or any kind of other violent resistance. We support a mass popular movement (peacefully) or with youth with stones etc yet for the Israelis to be sure no violence at all against them they will be reluctant to take us seriously. All forms of resistance are needed at least to exist as a threat for them to take us more seriously. We don’t want to fire rockets from Gaza but that doesn’t mean Israel should not be worried about starting a new war. They want to militarize the initfiada to justify the extreme Israeli aggression but they also need to fear us at the same time. No diplomacy or politics without the constant threat of all forms of resistance.
Remember I’m Palestinian and I know my enemy best. There are NO civilians in Israel. Everyone either served in the army or about to serve or currently serving. Or they are settlers and extremists.”
“Thank you Rami. I would also say, again, how many Israeli civilians have actually been fatally stabbed? How can we differentiate between armed resistance..is a gun better than a knife, is a knife worse than a stone? It is still hugely disproportionate..and lets look at the largely peaceful protests in Gaza..many dead and critically injured protestors, kids most of them. Shot by Israeli explosive bullets fired to kill by Israeli snipers. This is guerilla warfare in a dirty and asymmetric war. We should not be dictating how it is fought by those CIVILIANS in their own land who have endured 67 years of daily murder, abuse, humiliation, massacre, torture, rape, detention, human rights violations at the hands of Israeli “civilians”.
“Palestinians have been undergoing GENOCIDE and wars of EXTERMINATION, under the watchful eyes of the “civilized” world. Whatever they do to protect their lives is a legitimate act of self-preservation and survival.
Palestinians ON the GROUNDS are the best judges of their situation and how to proceed. They are the ones under the bombs and they are the ones who are most able to plan and evaluate their strategies.
Every adult settler is both an armed soldier and a thief
As long as the demonic entity continues to cause havoc and hunt Palestinian children like fish in a tank, Palestinians have the moral right and obligation to try to STOP them by all means available
Palestinians under this crushing tyranny are not fighting a luxurious “media war”, as to be only concerned of how the world is judging them, when the world has failed them for 100 years, nor are they concerned to become “celebrities” posing with photos of Gandhi or Mandela, for their supporters to circulate, Palestinians are fighting for their very existence, to shake off their backs a cancer which has been eating them mercilessly for decades
NO moralizing with a man who has a knife against his throat, when he tries to push his butcher away”
“The Zionists will always ignore their war crimes and genocide against the Palestinian people and instead they pick up another argument which is Palestinian terrorism or violence. The source of the problem is occupation with the consequences of injustice and apartheid. If only the world would address the source of the problem”.
Actually what we should be calling for, as Rami says, addressing the cause not the symptoms, is: 1. full demilitarization of the State of Israel. 2. Punitive sanctions against Israel as have been imposed against Syria, Iran and many others. 3. Regime change, to replace an oppressive dictatorship with an elected, representative democratic government wink emoticon 4. The complete dismantling of all Israeli nuclear warheads. 5. The destruction of all Chemical weapon stockpiles. 6. The destruction of all Weapons of Mass Destruction. 7. The withdrawl from all illegally occupied territory, including Golan Heights. 8. The destruction of the Apartheid wall. 9. The end of the siege of Gaza. 10. Freedom for all Palestinian prisoners held without trial or evidence. 11. The right to return for all Palestinians in Diaspora.
17/10 Vanessa Beeley:
“All those who claim Palestinians should not use knives as weapons against “unarmed” Israeli civilians should watch this.
1. The Palestinian is dead. [not arrested] Fadel al-Qawasmi, 18.
2. The Israeli “civilian” is armed with a gun
3. Watch the first part of the video, one IOF passes what looks very much like a knife to another IOF who drops it by the Palestinian body and then pushes the Israeli settler away.
4. This is the Times of Israel report on this incident [presumed]http://www.timesofisrael.com/palestinian-tries-to-stab-isr…/
5. As the US/NATO have their proxy army in ISIS, the Israeli Settlers [IS] have been imported over decades to act as the Israeli army frontline, the “buffer zone” as described by Israeli politicians. They are armed, vicious, murdering demons who are viciously brutalizing, terrorizing and now mowing down Palestinians whilst crying “knife”.
Comment from Ali Mallah:
Very interesting discussion, However, Palestinians are at the receiving end of Brutality, Violence, death and destruction since early 1920s. Palestinians and any oppressed people have the rights and moral obligations to cut off the hands of the oppressors.
“We are nonviolent with people who are nonviolent with us.” — Malcolm X
“Concerning nonviolence, it is criminal to teach a man not to defend himself when he is the constant victim of brutal attacks.”— Malcolm X
“We declare our right on this earth…to be a human being, to be respected as a human being, to be given the rights of a human being in this society, on this earth, in this day, which we intend to bring into existence by any means necessary.”